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  • First Time Piking

    Went Piking first time today, wanted to ask a few questions here for next time..

    I have spinners and a couple of lures.

    Spinners; Not heavy but i see how they operate in the water.. I reel in and i find that they come up? is there anyway i can keep them down? ie - Lure > Trace > Bead > Ledger?

    Lures; I used my lure firstly and i found that they work pretty awesome and if i was a pike i would definatly go as it looks like a mangled fish in the water lol..

    It floats but when i reel in i find that it goes down because of the spade lip.. how should i operate these?

    Also; casting how far can you cast out to be able to locate/find a pike, question is spinners, light atm so im able to cast them about 15-20 yards..

    Thanks again,

    Any tips will appriciated

    Josh

  • #2
    Hi Josh, you can use things called downriggers that clip inbetween the mainline and the wire trace its basically a bottom heavy weight this help you get a light spinner or lure down deeper. downriggers also help stop line twist from repetitive spinning. Although downriggers are mainly used in trolling in boats to keep a lure down at a certain depth. On canals etc you should only need a very light Downrigger, a slower retrieve sometimes is all that is needed.

    lures that float are supposed to dive on the retrieve so you cast out take the slack up and wind for say 3-5 second and then wait for it to surface once more repeat untill its ready for another cast.

    Different lures have a change in the spade lip as you say the lower the lip the deeper this lure will dive some lures are even adjustable.

    pike can be picked up anywhere in the water you can cast but your best bet is to look for features the pike may well be as they will strike at something close to their nose,
    on a good day as long as its somewhere near a pike it will charge and have a go. Ssometimes however it will simply stalk it right to the bank this i Personally think is because the retrieve may of been to smooth so mix up the tecnique and cover as much water as you can

    Hope thiis helps best of luck on your next trip.
    Last edited by Tarks; 2nd January 2011, 05:21 PM.
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    • #3
      Thanks Tarks for a very intrested post!

      I will have to get me some 'Downriggers' - how much are these usually? and how light is light? can you use a downrigger on a lure?

      Thanks again!

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      • #4
        yes you can use downriggers with lures they do tend to dive quite quickly and rise very very slowly though makes the lure on a canal and such a little long winded its shouldnt really be nessesary imo.

        On a big water try it on a big cast of up to 40/50 years with depths of over 8-10ft. Id use one for a bit of extra depth search, but id buy a few small ones and use as small as i can get.

        of 15 gramme or a tad more buy a few as diff lures will have more buoyancy so may need a heavier downrigger if the spade lip is a shallow fixed type.
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        • #5
          Can you buy these from any tackle shop?

          Also - Would a 'downrigger' be nessacery in a canal to be used with a lure/spinner as i am looking to catch my first pike @ Essington & Wyrley canal

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          • #6
            Josh,

            You should really be asking what to do when you catch one. They have quite delicate mouthparts, and you can easily injure them ( and yourself ) if you get it wrong.
            [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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            • #7
              I am quite confident on handling one, i have all correct tools to remove, i have removed the barbs from the hooks also for easy unhooking..

              Just need the information on getting in contact with them

              thankyou for you concern though

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              • #8
                if your really struggling getting the lure down then pop on a light one, but as most canals are at best 5-6 foot max you shouldnt need too. the average depth is between 4-6 foot. most lures can cover 4ft adequately.

                Just take care not to hinder the rise of the lure

                a soft lure may need one if its not built into the body already.

                keep it simple and grow your confidence.
                your local tackle shop should help you with downriggers look on ebay too. just buy light. Remember your not trolling 30+ft deep.
                it sounds like your looking for a bit of assistance to dive the lure not to hold it down.
                Last edited by Tarks; 2nd January 2011, 06:09 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by luke carpstalker View Post
                  Josh,

                  You should really be asking what to do when you catch one. They have quite delicate mouthparts, and you can easily injure them ( and yourself ) if you get it wrong.
                  A good point no matter how confident you are its best to know for certian pike are delicate and dont like alot of bank time. its not uncommon to release a pike watch oit swim off and see a corpse the next day.

                  i went out with a piker and the tips were invaluable!

                  im now confident in knowing im doing it right for myself and the pike. ive recently landed a 22lb, 12oz and its not a fish you wanna dither with.
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                  • #10
                    Holy nice pike! your personal best?

                    Also - Yeah its more about me diving the lure.. as i read when i casted my lure it went like 15-20 yards.. I was like ok.. It floated.. i reeled like 2-5 times so it was submerged for around 4-6 seconds then it would pop up and id repeat but it no time it was back at my feet and i was casting out again.. just want to know if im doing right or wrong.

                    Originally posted by Tarks View Post
                    A good point no matter how confident you are its best to know for certian pike are delicate and dont like alot of bank time. its not uncommon to release a pike watch oit swim off and see a corpse the next day.

                    i went out with a piker and the tips were invaluable!

                    im now confident in knowing im doing it right for myself and the pike. ive recently landed a 22lb, 12oz and its not a fish you wanna dither with.

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                    • #11
                      yeah sounds right ,just practice getting some distance on the cast, and with bouyant jig lurs ei dont wind. I move the rod towards the margins quickly enough to get the lure down then i slowly return the rod whilst reeling in the loose line. you can also give a jerky dive to entice pike not so easy whislst winding in
                      As you get used to the depth you can acheive with moving the rod at a certain pace, you can gauge how deep your making the lure go to stay off the bottom and out of snags etc.

                      imo this works for me and save the wait whilst the lure rises again. this method may get that lure down deeper faster for you.

                      just keep on at it if you blank its practise and lure reaction knowledge being learnt if nothng else.
                      Last edited by Tarks; 2nd January 2011, 06:29 PM.
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                      • #12
                        Bank Time will see you your own style just practise different ways to retrive a pike may like one lure goin jerky and another smooth. dont change your lure untill you have covered the water area you can reach and that you have tried diff retrieval styles.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tarks View Post
                          Bank Time will see you your own style just practise different ways to retrive a pike may like one lure goin jerky and another smooth. dont change your lure untill you have covered the water area you can reach and that you have tried diff retrieval styles.
                          Okay i will bere all your tips in mind!

                          How am i to cast a spinner/lure without no weight behind it though? i can cast a feeder/ledger/float or whatever im using fine.. its just the weight behind it to be able to throw it out 20-40 yards..

                          Is this me? or just not enough weight there ?

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                          • #14
                            Josh i haven't got time to go into detail at the moment mate. But if you have any queries on anything to do with pike, I'm your man. Just PM me with all of your Questions i will gladly help you out. Any of the lads will tell you about me Josh.

                            All the best

                            Tony
                            Team Mosella Black Country

                            Sex is like Poker.
                            If you havnt got a good partner.
                            Then you better have a good Hand

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                            • #15
                              is your spool loaded to the lip? If not you may be suffering drag on the cast, a full spool loaded to 1/2mm under the lip is about right.

                              bar that idealy you need a rod with eyes no smaller than 4/5mm I D as the guides on a match rod for instance will be too small and again you may suffer from line drag

                              i use a 12ft 2lb test carp rod and can cast 40 yards easy on most of my lures (with no trees about lol) 30ish with spinners certainly far enough for my waters

                              it will also handle anything i hit into.
                              Last edited by Tarks; 2nd January 2011, 06:57 PM.
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